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What precisely has Lucas done to the Original Trilogy to transform it to the Ultimate Editions on DVD next year'
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Hey, everybody. "Moriarty" here. I'm going to have to call this one out as being total nonsense. This exact word for word list ran as a talkback by a guy named "Donnie Darko" several weeks ago, and that's not the first time I've seen it show up. Yes, Lucas is working on Archival Editions of the films, despite his continued denial of it in public, like at a UCLA appearance this week. Yes, there are some dramatic things they're trying. But this fanboy wish list is just not true. And the films that are coming out on DVD next fall are the Special Editions you've seen already. The ones released in '97. No changes. Nothing done to them. This guy has been trying to shop this list to people for a while now, and with all the rumors flying about the upcoming DVD release, he saw his opportunity to do it again. For now, relax. These aren't the droids you're looking for...
Hey folks, Harry here... What follows is "Unconfirmed," however a great deal of this checks out with what I've online (like here and here and HERE, Where this appeared yesterday!) and what I've heard has been going on. This is the first time this source has contacted me, but frankly it sounds exactly like the changes that Lucas would do post prequel trilogy to "complete" his epic. Could this all be bollocks? Yes, but... with Lucas allegedly seeking Co-Director status from the DGA on EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and RETURN OF THE JEDI... well... you better believe he's done a lot of changing to make that case, if that's true. I will say this, having Greedo fire first again... will make many happy... the soundtrack changes scare me, the replacing of Duros with Neimoidians in the Cantina kind of infuriates me. Ultimately none of the changes would piss me off if the originals were released as was for collectors. So here's a lot for you to chew on. If you don't want to know... Don't read...
My brother works for Lucasfilm and I have been hammering him for years to give me some sort of scoop to share with the world. Well in the end he has come through for me. He has confirmed to me that the Special Edition Star Wars Trilogy will be released in Sep. of 2004. The following changes will be made. Now this isn't all the changes but it is as many as he could sit down and recall. So here they go...
Episode IV: A New Hope
01. The Imperial March has been added to Darth Vader's first appearance on Princess Leia's ship.
02. When Obi-Wan is talking to Luke about his father Anakin's Theme plays in the background and then it turns into the Imperial March as he talks about Vader.
03. The lightsaber effects have been redone and the frame jumps of lightsabers being turned on has been removed.
04. There's a new scene which has been shot during the filming of Episode III in which the Emperor dissolves the Senate.
05. In the Cantina, the Duros (green aliens guys) have been replaced with Neimoidians and some aliens from the prequels have been added.
06. The bleeding arm on the floor in the Cantina has been replaced with a non-bleeding arm because it's now canon that lightsabers cauterize wounds.
07. The original shooting scene between Han and Greedo has been restored.
08. Jabba the Hutt has been given a makeover and Han no longer steps on his tale.
09. In place of R2 wobbling down the stairs to the Falcon's hangar, a CG R2 navigating the stairs like he does in Attack of the Clones was added.
10. The white boxes around space ships have been removed and new CG shots have been added.
11. The scene of the Falcon being chased by the two Star Destroyers was modified. The Falcon now does spinning moves, avoiding the Star Destroyers' fire.
12. When the Death Star destroys Alderaan there's a new scene of Yoda's reaction to the disturbance in the Force that is created by all those deaths and then it cuts to Obi-Wan reacting to it as well.
13. The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to see more of the creature.
14. The Death Star's paneling and computers have been slightly altered to show similar displays to those in the prequels.
15. The words "Tractor Beam" with Aurebesh lettering.
16. More stormtroopers have been added to the Death Star.
17. Some Storm Troopers will wear clone like armor
18. The Obi-Wan/Vader duel has been spruced up. It is much more epic and there is much more movement. A modified version of Duel of the Fates is being considered for the scene.
19. The Death Star plans that are taken from R2 have been updated. When the Rebels are reviewing the Death Star plans they look similar to the plans we see in Attack of the Clones.
20. The Death Star battle is much more epic with more Tie Fighters and more Rebels being blown to bits. We get to see old Naboo starfighters being used by the Rebels.
21. There's a new scene (shot during Episode III) where Darth Vader goes to Coruscant and lands his ship in the same building Count Dooku does at the end of Attack of the Clones. Except now the building is all fixed up and it is now Palpatine's palace. He meets with Palpatine to ask for forgiveness for his failure and inform him of a new potential who is strong in the Force.
22. Chewbacca now gets a medal.Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
01. The taun-tauns are now CG.
02. The battle of Hoth is much more epic. We see the Imperial ships land on Hoth and release AT-ATs. The AT-ATs have been sped up a bit. There's a ground battle between the Rebel soldiers and stormtroopers featuring new ships and vehicles.
03. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for the older stormtroopers.
04. The white boxes around space ships have been removed.
05. The slug monster is CG.
06. Ian McDiarmid has refilmed scenes as the Emperor. The conversations between Vader and Palpatine is now longer and features a few connections to the prequels.
07. Yoda's face is now animated in CG allowing more expression of emotions yet his movements remain the same. Also two deleted scenes featuring Yoda instructing Luke have been restored.
08. A new scene was shot in which the stormtroopers, after they capture Han, Leia and Chewie, bring Vader the box containing C-3PO in pieces. Vader orders the stormtroopers to bring the broken droid to Chewbacca's cell so that he can fix him.
09. The lightsaber effects have been redone in certain parts.
10. Luke's fall from Cloud City has been reshot against bluescreen using a stuntman.Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
01. Jabba the Hutt is now a combination of the puppet and CG.
02. The Rancor is CG and looks disgusting as ever.
03. Yoda is CG. Yoda disappears leaving his clothes behind like Obi-Wan now.
04. Saber effects were spruced up
05. The plan is to insert the love theme Across the Stars when Luke is talking with Leia about their mother.
06. Temuera Morrison's like before is now the voice for some stormtroopers.
07. In the battle of Endor there more Ewoks and they are more vicious
08. White boxes around ships removed.
09. The black blotches around Palpatine's face are gone.
10. Some of the lightsaber effects have been redone. The shadows that the lightsabers made on the floor are gone.
11. During Anakin's death scene it starts with a sad rendition of the Imperial March and slowly evolves into Anakin's Theme.
12. Anakin's spirit is now played by Hayden Christenson with make-up to make him look his age. He looks on proudly at his son Luke with the spirit of Padme by his side.Well that's it. Apparently there's more changes... but what else would you do to connect the prequels to these? What changes would you do to make it all ... come together in the end?
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...the Executor.
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As long as George releases the original cuts too... then it's fair.
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...wouldn't Vader be pursuing in his super star destroyer, if he was convinced that the plans were on the rebel blockade runner? And there'd be more than one ordinary star destroyer with that flagship. Nerdy I know, but I've always wanted to write those sentences. And having seen the new and horrendous "Battlestar Galactica" today, with no more than 2 minutes of Galactica footage in the entire 4 hours, and all of it so dimly lit and badly composed that you can't make out any of the new ship design, I need to derive some pleasure from talking about star destroyers and super star destroyers. Sue me.
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They always did annoy the crap out of me.
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Nov 21, 2003 5:42:21 AM CST
There is a reason the Falcon doesn't spin to avoid SD fire...
by human tornado
... it's because it's similar to a WWII "Flying Fortress", like Memphis Belle. It's desinged to fly stragiht and hold together until it has completed its mission. Lucas is a WWII geek. He should know better.
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Wow...not all bad from Lucas for once. Like the idea of inserting Naboo starfighters to the original Death Star battle and yay if they make Greedo shoot first again
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...if it's a proper transfer and you don't have the contrast on your tv turned up way too high.
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Oh man, this is a lot of info to take in. At first sight, a lot of the changes are pure technical like removing matte boxes and dodgy lightsaber effects. But I have strong doubts about replacing actors from the original Trilogy like Sebastian Shaw as Anakin. I strongly suspect this is not allowed by the Actors Guild.
Still, if it is true, Lucas really tries to listen to the fans, what with restoring the Greedo bit... I am looking forward to the extra scenes of course and I must say that, altough unprecedented, I thibk it's pretty slick how Lucas tries to make the whole Sextology (not as rude as it sounds)more homogenic (again...not really rude).
I suppose the fanboys will get a coronary from this news but I want to give Lucas the benefit of the doubt here. After all, they ARE his movies, right? -
http://www.theforce.net/holonet/index.shtml#22710
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Hayden Christensen replaces the old dude playing Annakin at the end of Empire??? Does this mean that when Vader takes off his mask, we'll see Hayden do that scene too? I think it does. Which means that his incredibly awful acting will screw up two great scenes in Episode 6...
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What have those cocks at Skywalker Ranch done to this trilogy? Oh Well, It could be worse. But then again it could be better (The Original Trilogy with no Sprucing Up).
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... its interesting that this guys brother who 'works at Lucasfilm' mentioned in this exhaustive list of changes that Hayden will play the ghost but didnt mention that he will play him sans mask when Luke takes it off... maybe this is complete bullshit after all? Now that would indeed, be A New Hope! :D
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..then by that rational, wouldnt Ewan McGreagor replace Alec Guiness? to be honest, i think some of these changes sound cool... i have the OT in several formats so i can always go back to those. However some of these changes DO sound like they'd make all six films feel more "together". Since TPM i've been wondering how they were gonna get them all to join, style-wise... seems The Beard just cant stop fiddling (with these films... NOT his penis)
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Barry is a Star Wars frak who writes SW poems and rap songs that drag on for pages. He usually goes by the handle of BWStarWars or something Buffy related. If you check the talkbacks for Satr wars items you will come across these exact lists of changes posted by him, alternately as wishlists and as facts. He is a compulsive liar. In other words it's bullshit.
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If he's gonna play Anakin in the last shot of JEDI, wouldn't his face supposed to be added digitally over original Darth Vader's face while removing his helmet towards the end ?
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Isn't it easier to just remake the OT???? What was the trilogy when it was released in 77-80-83? A pre-viz of the ultimate version? And the Special Editions? A 'look-this-is-coming-closer-to-my-vision'? Maybe Lucas should've shot it from Ep. I to VI. Normal, without that going back and do the prequels (which disappoint, by the way) later. I think I'll stick with my VHS copies of the OT.
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'Satr wars'= 'Star Wars' and 'frak' should read 'freak'. *cough* ... sniffle.
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i know what lucas is trying to do. but he should follow the maxim, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Lucas is destroying his legacy. but anyway who's to stop him. i do hope however, the originals will stay in their pristine form somewhere, so we can watch it someday. am glad i still have my old VHS's. hehe.
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Aw, shit.
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Is it just me, or does that sound more like a fanboy laundry list rather than a real report? I mean, I bet even Lucas hasn't written down all the changes. OMT: If they do show the dissolution of the Senate, do they change the conversation of Tarkin and the officers?
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Nov 21, 2003 6:30:07 AM CST
This story appears to be true...from a certain point of view. Th
by duck of death
This field report from a George Lucas Q&A linked to from theforce.net seems to contradict this report and the earlier rumor posted at that site:
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I don't mind Lucas making changes to his films, I liked the SE's from 1997 but if what this article says is true I am completely and utterly shocked. The little changes concerning CG enhancements sounds well needed however replacing Vader's death scene with something filmed today is motherfucking sacriligious, that scene is perfect, it ALWAYS makes me sad, I feel for Vader in that scene, he looks so happy finally redeeming himself and seeing his son for the first time with his own eyes... for Lucas to fuck that up is disgusting, and quite frankly unforgivable... and don't get me started on changing the score in that scene, it is already perfect, the oriental fading of Vader's theme is priceless... I've liked the prequels thus far and Ep3 sounds great from here but Lucas is going to fuck up ROTJ.
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Nov 21, 2003 6:31:12 AM CST
Bruce Campbell should play Luke digitally inserted into all thre
by edward_nygma
...he can so do this part.
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just askin'
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Come on, ALL of these changes? I can buy into some of them, but replacing actors with new ones? And replacing music? Man, I'm glad I have the boots of the original cuts and the Special Edition DVDs.
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...some fanboy's wish list. The "Scene with Palpatine dissolving the senate" is right out of a list I read (possibly on theforce.net?) once. Besides, Lucas will probably never get around to fixing the more obvious errors in the original trilogy (HORRIBLE bluescreen on the rancor, lightsabre jump-cuts, Palpatine being played by a woman with superimposed monkey eyes in ESB).
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Nov 21, 2003 6:35:42 AM CST
Well I went searching but it seems as though Barry's been delete
by regicidal_maniac
I found evidence of us responding to him as BWStarWars, BWBuffy and Mutant_Enemy.
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Nov 21, 2003 6:37:52 AM CST
RIZLA THE ONE THING I ALWAYS THOUGHT WAS... THE RANCOR MONSTER W
by lil ze
Even as a kid. I always wondered why he never fixed it for the special editions. The Rancor looked cool by himself but not when he shared the same shot as anything else. WHat say you Rizla, did you always feel the Rancor?
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Nov 21, 2003 6:42:21 AM CST
er.....this was taken from a talkback post from this site!
by rokyasoksoff
poster donnie darko listed the changes (which imho, are a fanboy dream list not the real deal!)
when were these new shots done? as we pretty much have an exact shot list of the ep3 shoot
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I think fans would be willing to put up with a LOT if Lucas would JUST RELEASE THE GODDAMNED ORIGINALS!! Do whatever you want with the films after that, just let us remember where this all started, okay?! Is it so hard, really?? On the positive side, though, making Han shoot first again and a couple of the score additions do sound interesting...but, seeing as this is all unconfirmed from the get-go, let's just wait and see how it all pans out before we make judgements...
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That Donnie Darko is undoubtedly Barry Woodward. Just check out his Buffy themed email. xanderthecyclops@hotmail.com
He's a freak. -
DID LUCAS SHAME THE WHOLE ORIGINAL TRILOGY BY FORGETTING TO DROP IN CGI POSTURES OF JAR JAR BINKS IN THE BACKGROUND DOING NOTHING?????? WHY THE FUCK NOT? IT WORKED FOR HAMMERHEAD! AND THEY MADE 20 BILLION ACTION FIGURES OF THAT ASSHOLE THAT YOU HAD TO DIG THROUGH ON THE STORE SHELVES JUST TO FIND THE ONLY OTHER ACTION FIGURE THEY HAD WAS R2-D4!!!! AND HE WAS A PIECE OF SHIT DROID WITH A BAD CAPACITOR AND TOO MANY MILES!!!!! *my next point* VICIOUS EWOKS????? HAHAHAHA!!! HOW 'BOUT WE GIVE THE JAWAS SOME SWITCHBLADES TOO!!!!! IF YOU DON'T DIG ON THEIR DEALS, THEY'LL FUCKIN' CUT YA!!!...And finally if you give Chewie a medal, it will only tangle in his hair....give him a blow job instead....wookies like blowjobs....And thus, anyone wanna buy a Hammerhead action figure? - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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Most of the changes sound pretty damned cool. I doubt rumours regarding TPM getting an overhaul....
But if any of it's true then maybe George is at last listening to fandom.
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Donnie Darko posted this in a talkback last month: http://www.aintitcool.com/tb_display.cgi?id=16417#694384 . No idea if it's bullshit, Lucas is capable of anything weird. But seriously, release the originals too please. Some of us were too young to think of grabbing widescreen videos while we could.
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Nov 21, 2003 6:56:15 AM CST
Michael Jackson parallel to original Trilogy = Something wonderf
by olsonizer
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Can Lucas make some changes that will make the prequels good films? Maybe he should focus on that instead of dicking around with films he made 20 years ago.
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...don't forget that the newly made over version will rape our childhoods too.
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It's quite interesting reading the board and seeing the moans & groans about all the supposed changes.
As the famous saying goes, "opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got on." Which is fair enough, we're all fans of these movies and enjoy them. However at the end of the day, they belong to GL and if he feels that he wants to update or modify them that's up to him. Especially when you consider all the stick that he had when the first movie came out.
Everyone kinda looks back at original 3 movies through rose tinted glasses, but with the making of the new 3 episodes GL probably can see storyline glitches that have unfolded. New technology allows him to smooth these out and correct them. I for one look forward to the changes as I threw away my rose tinted goggles a long time ago. -
Nov 21, 2003 7:17:50 AM CST
Either the greatest improvement, or the greatest mistake in movi
by sybs
Like everyone is saying, I really hope they release the original cuts in the sets aswell. What would be even better is if they also release the SE versions. Having 3 versions of a film on DVD sounds pretty weird, but at least it gives everyone a choice. If these new things are crap, I'd rather watch the SE ones.
But how the hell are they going to add stuff like Yoda having a CG face? And Hayden Christensen replacing the other guy? Do we even have that kind of technology yet?
Some ideas do sound pretty cool, but if he messes it up, he'll still make billions. He really doesn't care about fan input, otherwise he wouldn't have put those shit C3P0 scenes in ep2. -
George Lucas.
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Seriously, how many times did that guy describe things as 'epic'. I feel that these changes would absolutely destroy the trilogy, but as long as the originals are released - I DON'T CARE. I'm a fan of all the films, but I just want my original untainted trilogy...well, maybe the remastered versions actually.
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GREETINGS PROGRAMS!
I have wanted more added to the end Battle of My favourite Star Wars movie since 1983.
I like Spaceship battles and a larger battle at the end would be better than the good battle we got.
The main thing I want to see is interdictor ships, otherwise the rebels could just go to Hyperspace to escape.
Any hoo I don't care that Lucas Has improved Star Wars again. I expected it so that they would match the new films better than what has already appeared. I do however want to see the songs removed from ROTJ featured on the DVD and a documentry about the New material.
Mind you even if the releases were the original films with no extras I'd still buy it, Sad I know. :-(
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Nov 21, 2003 8:19:28 AM CST
There's an easy way to have the films feel "unified" and "togeth
by manosthof
Make the following films with the previously made films in mind. The stuff is on film already. I've even seen videotapes and laserdiscs. Seriously.
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...Jake "I can't act, but boy can I suck" Loyd. Sure Jar Jar is horrible, but that little kid really ruined that movie. I wouldn't mind of someone removed him digitally or even in real life...
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I recognized it as the deluded rantings of one BWStarWars ages ago. He's probably creaming his jeans (if he is indeed old enough to produce cream) reading all this attention his babblings are given. At least he didn't try to compose it rap form. sk
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Nov 21, 2003 8:32:33 AM CST
Shouldn't it be clear to everyone at this point that Lucas is ma
by robobagpiper
Let's face it. There never was any grand vision for Star Wars. It's been made up along the way. Problem is, Lucas is a substandard thinker and writer - as evidenced by the total degeneration in storytelling from the originals to the prequels. So let's not hear anymore about "The Hero Myth" - Campbell was bought out.
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Maybe they can go back with the old Ewok Celebration song at the end too.
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Its too good. Just too damned good to be true...Unless of course Lucas did it to have half the world's babies named after him.
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I'm glas I got the original, unsullied, versions on DVD. Screw you Lucas.
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Nov 21, 2003 10:26:58 AM CST
HOW BOUT GETTING RID OF LUKE SCREAMING LIKE A PUSSY WHEN HE FALL
by nurse no
As it diminished all stoic bravery he had originally when he embraced fate and replaced it w/ whiney fear.
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Nov 21, 2003 10:33:16 AM CST
CRITERION COLLECTION Is Proud To Announce Anniversary Title #300
by trav mcgee
"Before there was 'A New Hope' there was just a tale, about 'A boy, a girl, and a galaxy...' * "The Criterion Collection has never been more proud to announce an upcoming title, now in production: 'Star Wars,' George Lucas' 1977 masterpiece, as it hasn't been seen since its original theatrical release. No 'Special Edition' and no 'Episode IV' above the opening crawl. Just one amazing adventure, about 'A boy, a girl, and a galaxy...'" // DISC ONE: Star Wars * The film, fully restored [all the tech specs here--and they're good] * Cast Commentary: Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford are reunited to watch the movie together for the first time in over 20 years, sharing production anecdotes and laughs. * Peers Commentary: Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, Steven Spielberg and Brain DePalma all discuss the film from a fellow director's point of view, their original reactions to their friends' movie and their opinions of it today, as well as its, and ILM's, impact on filmmaking since. * Production Commentary: Producer Gary Kurtz, Cinematographer Gilbert Taylor, Makeup Artist Rick Baker, Sound Designer Ben Burtt and Special Effects Supervisor John Dykstra. * Score-Only Track: Watch "Star Wars" with no dialogue except that provided by John Williams' Academy Award-winning score. // DISC TWO: A New Fairy Tale [still in production; content subject to change] * All original trailers and television commercials * Two made-for-television specials on the making of 'Star Wars' not seen in 25 years * Documentary One[currently untitled]: Roger Ebert and Leonard Maltin collaborate to produce this look into the career of George Lucas and the worldwide impact--on pop culture, on filmmaking, and on film history--of "Star Wars" * Documentary Two [currently untitled]: Steven Spielberg writes, directs and narrates this touching, heartfelt look back at "the Saturday-morning serial," Buster Crabbe and Flash Gordon, and other pulp influences on he and his close friend George Lucas. * Collection of interviews with George Lucas [1971, 1973, 1977, 1985, 1997, 2003 (new for this DVD)] * Comprehensive Gallery: All recoverable original production and design art for "Star Wars" collected in one thoroughly indexed gallery. * "The Star Wars Holiday Special" Never again aired or reproduced for the public since 1978, now fully restored, cleaned and remastered. Includes optional Cast Commentary with Hamill, Fisher and Ford. // CRITERION COLLECTION #300: "Star Wars" (1977) * Limited Pressing of 1,000
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Sure puts a lump in MY throat. Anyway, even though I just SAID I made it up, who wants to start the rumor?
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What do expect from a man who still hasn't gotten over his bitterness for being named after the actor who played Greg Brady? Sorry to see that all his posts were deleted. They made for some very entertaining reading. But then again, I find the bullshit shoveled by the Bush administration entertaining too...
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Nov 21, 2003 11:39:13 AM CST
WaitWaitWait!!! You guys ARE kidding about this guy, right??
by freethinker
No WAY. There is a dude who actually writes POEMS and (snide chortle) RAP songs about star wars?!? I can hardly believe anyone, even the biggest sw fanboy, could be such an incredible fag! That is without a doubt the gayest shit I have EVER heard here. What a douche! I mean Poetry...hilarious! No coubt on the level of your typical high school poem to your girlfriend (not like he has one), but what a subject! Bwhaha! I don't want to start a matrix fight here again, but I am a huge fan of the series...my point is, if I ever write a POEM about the Matrix, PLEASE someone come and knock my teeth out for being such a freak. I will DESERVE it! And even more lame...RAP?!? Holy god what a joke. This does no good for fans or nonfans of hiphop...those who dont like it can just say "yup, shows you what rap is nowadays, accessible to the mainstream and no teeth" and fans would be embarrassed to see the music they like being used as a vehicle for such an incredible fucking LOSER. Can you imagine some dude strolling onstage at some DefJam show and starts rapping about sw? He'd get his ass kicked! So, anyway...this guy is real?? Does anyone HAVE one of his retarded pices of non-art available? I gotta see this crap!
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Nov 21, 2003 11:42:34 AM CST
They forgot the one change needed to make the movies complete!
by chrth
They need to recast Darth Vader with Hulk Hogan: "Luke, I am your father, brother!" (Apologies to Chaffro)
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All previous monster effects are now CG? *coughbullshitcough* I might believe the minor changes like changing "tractor beam" to Aurebesh, but a complete overhaul of the creatures is simply NOT going to happen. Far too much rotoscoping involved; far too much meaningless painting over, etc. Lucas wants to get through Star Wars, make a few bucks, and get on with his life. This is plainly obvious to anyone with at least half a brain who isn't a dribbling 'Wars fanatic. Take the Clone Wars cartoons for example - the animation is shit, the story involves the creation of several more characters (read "action figures"), and it covers plot that in all honesty should have been in Episode II. I won't slight the guy for his marketing - it's friggin brilliant the way he's been playing the fans and milking them for every dollar. He is a shrewd businessman. But to get back to the point, the above posting feels like someone without the faintest CLUE about special effects, and definitely much more like a fanboy wishlist compiled after a day's long 'Wars marathon.
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Why is it that this kind of information always comes from some dick whose brother's sister in law's girlfriend's cousin's uncle's son's gay lover works at Lucasfilm? This stuff is nothing more than someone jerking off and showing us his splooge in a napkin.
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You can't have the Executor in ANH! Why?! Becasue it was built after the first death stat was blown the hell up. Thats just basic star wars knowledge right there!
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Nov 21, 2003 1:38:57 PM CST
Screw Star Wars, where the HELL are Harry's and/or Moriarty's TT
by snake-eyes
Come on chaps, its been over a week now and I am dying to know what you guys thought of it!!! ps. I FRICKING LOVED IT, EVERY GODDAMN SECOND OF IT!!!!!!!! Oh and as for this 'rumour', although most of the changes would be good, does anyone really care enough anymore??? As a Star Wars fan myself [OT only!!!], I have to say.....NO!
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Nov 21, 2003 2:12:01 PM CST
My THX-certified widescreen Laserdisc box-set of the unfucked-wi
by cash bailey
I took some sage advice and sprung for the whole kit and kaboodle off eBay. I also had to buy a Laserdisc player but I
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Come on guys, use your head. I was an admin at TF.n years ago (God help me) and half this shit was fanboy "I wish..." nonsense back then. If he does anything to the original trilogy it'll be to clean up the FX a little and "improve" the sound and visual quality that only pretentious "audiophiles" will pretend to notice.
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Nov 21, 2003 2:42:59 PM CST
I also heard they'll actually replace Harrison with Chris Walken
by boris the blade
Fast...ship. You...haven't heard of the Millennium....Falcon? She's...fast enough...for you...old man.
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What the hell is a Jawa? Oh Christ...
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That scene wher Anakin was jacking off in his bed was totally unnecessary Lucas!!!
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If this is true it would be great! But I suspect that it's nothing more than a fanboy's wish-list.
It's all so obvious what Lucas should do. Remake the special editions, doing almost everything on that list. Replace 99% of the existing SFX with new CGI and model-work to make it tie in better with the prequels. (The CGI work already done on the attack on the Death Star in ANH really showed up the old bits they left in IMHO...they should have gone the whole hog). Restore the Original theatrical versions as well and put out LOTR style alternate versions.
2 disc set:
disc 1: New ultimate edition of the movie
disc 2: making ofs, extras etc.
4 disc set:
disc 1: New ultimate edition of the movie
disc 2: Original version (THX)
disc 3: making ofs, extras etc.
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You know Lucas wont be able to leave these films alone until he dies, so what comes next:
-Chewbacca replaced by a CGI chewbacca, as "originally intended". -When the ghosts appear at the end of Jedi, they will be joined by the ghost of Palpatine, who the others take turns kicking to the ground. -Ian McDiarmids pronunciation of "Sanctuary" corrected in ROTJ. -Obi-Wans dialogue in ROTJ altered to reflect the prequels more closely "I thought I could train him just as well as Yoda." changed to "My master thought he should be trained, and I disagreed, but then he was killed, so I trained him anyway..." And so on... -
Look at some of the older Buffy TB's, he used to do Buffy raps all the time, tell people his brother was guest-starring on Buffy, etc. Personally I thought his antics were pretty funny and annoying at the same time. Harry & co. must not keep track of the TB regulars or they would have known not to take "Donnie Darko's" info seriously.
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Barry, we hardly knew ye.
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Star Wars has become computer software and this sounds like patch notes to update it. Seriously, some of those ideas are GREAT, and then some AREN'T. Yoda reacting to the destruction of Alderaan? He wasn't even reintroduced yet! (Or introduced in the OT)
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What knid of sad sack will want to see this? The Star Wars films were good for the time but have not aged well, the acting and dialogue is mostly atrocious. Stick it up your arse, Lucas.
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Some of these sound pretty good actually. A few not so good. The RESTORING THE HAN AND GREEDO scene sound great!
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some of the changes are really cool, but some, like the changing of the panels on the death star to look more like the prequels design work, shows how much lucas has completly changed something people loved into a massive, stupid francise. changing the taun tauns to CG......WHY!!!!
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Nov 21, 2003 4:29:33 PM CST
Yes, because we all know how much Lucas craves money :rolleyes:
by chrth
I mean, he won't be happy until everyone is broke and he has all the money in the world, right? Sheesh
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Good thing I have the Definitive collection. This movie has gone through more facelifts than Liz Taylor and Joan Rivers combined. First we had to worry about different audio mixes, first to go was Aunt Beru's voice and the original "Close the Blast Doors". Now the Blasters in the Chasm shootout sound like 357 Magnums. I give up. On Usenet someone posted a homemade DVD derived from the Definitive collection. Complete with Audio Commentaries. Man I hope it does not come to the point where the OT can only be seen as a Homemade DVD.
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The Ultimate Editions, then the Archival Editions, then the Infinite Editions, then the "We Dare You To Find A Single Remaining Original Frame Left" Editions and finally the "We're Just Screwing With You Now To See If You'll Still Cough Up The Cash" Editions. Start saving your allowance now kiddies!
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... they already removed all the "white boxes" from around the ships for the special editions, and anyone who knows anything technical about these movies wouldn't say "white boxes", but would call them matte lines, which is what they are. Besides I don't think even Lucas is insane enough to change everything that is in this article. I'm sure some of these changes will happen, like Jabba being redone in Ep.4, but all you have to do is look at how crappy he looks in that SE to realize that Lucas will fix that. Also anyone who works for Lucasfilm would have their ass handed to them if they released any info like this. Also, a lot of these "changes" just sound like too much fanboy wetdreaming to be true.
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yeah, the stop motion taun tauns reminded me of all that old clash of the titans and jason of the argonauts stuff and gave it a saught of mythical/nostalgic feel, plus dont you think even though they look pretty crap, that still look more solid and real than ILM's CG which looks so hollow.
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Nov 21, 2003 5:09:15 PM CST
Fuck yeah! Now and Forever it shall be known, Han FUCKING FIRED
by comicbookgeek77
What a relief. I think these changes sound splendid. This is really exciting and I think I will hold off jerking off until the release of this set.
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Lucas--I don't give a flying fuck what you do to improve/update Episodes IV-VI. You lost your shit some time ago, and you aren't getting my money. I doubt you'll miss it, but that's the deal, because I don't financially support artists who desecrate their own work. Bye.
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why did i spell "sort" - "saught"
strange times indeed
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... If it isn't it sounds pretty damn stupid.
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Nov 21, 2003 5:46:49 PM CST
WHY THE FUCK does Anakins spirit have to be christendon???
by rcamacho2278
FUCK Christendon, Lousy fucken actor. Let it be the Actor who orginally played Anakin.
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Nothing else to add.
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I remember his bullshit back in the Buffy talkbacks. He had many screen names and YES, Donnie Darko was his latest one.
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Nov 21, 2003 6:14:20 PM CST
It's funny how many people complain about all the editions that
by enigmainyourhead
and yet they buy the 2 disc LOTR when it hits the shelves, then the 5 disc a few months later. At least Fox and Lucas give you a few years in between ripping you off. New Line doesn't even wait 12 months.
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holy shit, remember that one?? is this that same asshole? shit.
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I just want the trilogy on a superior format already. Okay, having said that, and having read Harry's comment and Mori's update (but no talkback comments so sorry if all this has been said elsewhere)let's think this through - maybe the list of amendments DOESN'T appear on the upcoming dvd release, but they COULD appear in a future version, like the superduper box set of all six films ? Just a thought - and it makes sense among all the rumors that Lucas is filming new inserts.
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"08. Jabba the Hutt has been given a makeover and Han no longer steps on his TALE."
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Nov 21, 2003 6:32:07 PM CST
To the poor soul who's been dying to know what a dianoga is...
by moonwatcher
it's the creature in the garbage smasher in episode IV. We get a brief glimpse of it before it pulls Luke down into the sewage - looks sort of like a periscope after a bad hangover.
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Nov 21, 2003 6:34:15 PM CST
Lucas quit tinkering and tampering with your old movies! The "Sp
by screenplaywriter
I'm tired of these rumors of him screwing with the "OT" again. I mean the Obi and Darth duel should not get revamped, neither should the Rancor scene, the Battle of Hoth scenes, or any others. The only scenes he should do is the Jar Jar/Naboo scenes and the Alderran seeing their demise scenes, those would be a perfect fit for the OT, but no he's got to CGI this, re-render that. He makes me sick! Least Spielberg didn't do too much fucking up of the newly released "Indiana Jones" Trilogy.
I mean literally is his piece of work, his masterpieces not anything sacred to him anymore, is it just something he can fuck up again and again until "Oh shit I've done too much, take it back, take it back!"
Please, don't take out the bleeding arm scene, don't take out the Duros, personally I like the Greedo scene, don't CGI-ize Yoda or Jabba, but do fix that one scene where Jabba looks like shit in "ANH." Please don't add Naboo Starfighters, or Old Republic gunships, or whatever those things died with the Senate and everything else, they died when Anakin joined the Darkside and Palpatine proclaimed himself Emperor. They do not need to be in this. Please do not make R2D2 have rocket-boosters, personally as much as it was cool, it was also dumb. Please, do not replace Shaw with the "untalented, needs to go back to college to learn acting" Hayden Christiansen, that scene is so touching and so sentimental it does not need to be changed. Please, do not record over the Stormtrooper lines with Temuera, let the man die like Jango, and if you want to replace your old actors than you might as well do the old saga again and remake it and just forget about what you gave us fans 20, or 30 something years ago. May you rest in hell Lucas. -
The list is a fake. It's taken almost word-for-word from a wishlist posting made on TheForce.net way back on 7/25/2002. Go to the link below and read the posting made by username "-TheForce-"....http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=6470112&page=10
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Nov 21, 2003 7:29:35 PM CST
I HAVE ONLY ONE PROBLEM, VADOR ORDERING C3PO BE REPAIRED BY CHEW
by theginger twit
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I watched Episode IV again the other day, and if they are changing the stormtroopers to sound like Morrison, Han will have to mimic the accent when posing as a trooper in order to conceal their subterfuge, which would sound silly, and if not, they would never get away with it. I think the idea is that the stormtroopers just have a different accent some 20-odd years down the line, or they're not clones anymore, etc. Can you imagine Morrison dubbing the (IMO) classic dialogue between the 2 troops guarding the tractor beam terminal? "Have you seen that new BT-16?" "Yeah, some of the other guys were telling me about it, they say it's... quite a thing to see." And some people go on about how bad the dialogue is in the prequels, Jeez! I remember that Donnie Darko post, and I'm not suprised if he took it from a Force.net post from last year because it's showing up verbatim on all the other sites now, including the Force.net, which now has it as a "news item," although they do take it as rumor. Still, I'd like to see Ultimate Editions, I'd buy 'em, and I'm all for many of those suggested changes, although some go too far. And I'd still like to see the OT released in the unchanged archival format as well. Make everybody happy!
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IF THE FATASS HAS WRITTEN THE FIRST SEQUELS AROUND WHAT HE HAD ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THE OT??!?!?!? Let's hope he doesn't digital add a conversation between Luke and Ben discussing goddamn Midichlorians. Luke: "The Force?" Ben: "Well, the Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's a midichlorian count in all living things. The higher the count, the more powerful the Jedi. Or at least that's what I think that plaid-wearing fatass motherfucker means." Luke: "WTF??"
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Nov 21, 2003 8:16:50 PM CST
You don't like Vader ordering 3PO to be taken to Chewie?
by the hillbrothers
I thought that was one of the best ideas, because it would give viewers a hint in Empire that there is still something of Anakin in Vader. He might recognize 3PO and I can see him wanting to save his own creation. The stormtroopers wouldn't question the order anyway, and it would be rather mysterious, in a cool way, to those who didn't know he was Anakin. I agree with Magnus Steele that Vader's death scene is perfect the way it is. It's simple and affecting, and I don't think Lucas will change it. If I'm to believe that Jake Lloyd grows up to be Hayden Christensen, then I can believe that Christensen ages into a Sebastian Shaw. I think the ONE thing that every SW fan can agree on is that Han should shoot first. As for the Jabba scene in ANH, the only way to improve it is to cut it out again, because it's simply unnecessary, beside the fact that a CGI Jabba won't ever look as good as the puppet. I'll admit to that even though I'm a big CGI proponent.
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I like some of these changes. Some I'm very very worried about (Vader vs. OB1 cgi?). Hopefully he'll pull it off. It'd be kinda cool if he took the prequels and made them have non cgi effects, matte paintings and stuff. Or not. Just release the DVDS. And may God help us all if Ep. 3 sucks.
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LEIA'S NAKED BREASTS. Understand?
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Let's face it. Empire is all about Vader trying to find his son. Vader isn't trying to find Luke to rule the galaxy. No, he still has a human side. His wanting to fix C-3P0 whom he created would just further show that he not completely gone to the Dark side and Luke can tell. I like it. It would also explain the plot hole. Warp 11 plays L.A. this weekend! www.warp11.com
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Nov 21, 2003 9:17:29 PM CST
And another thing...Introducing STAR WARS: THE NEVERENDING EDITI
by david frames
The public are invited by Lucasfilm to submit their own scenes into the original trilogy which is rereleased four times a year with the best new ones added with a DVD release following immediately afterwards. That way we could all forget about the integrity of the original films and bastardize them to buggery for all time. My scenes for the first edition of the neverending addition includes three new scenes, featuring an extended conversation between Obi-Wan and Luke in which he recalls that Anakin was 'a drinker' and 'a really nasty bastard after a few letoids of spacemead'. Noting the time he vomtited on a baby Rancor in a Mos Eisley bar, Obi-Wan informs a dumbstruck Luke that he then proceeded to whip out what some Jedis used to coloqually call the 'junior lightsaber' and challenged any other man in the bar to 'beat that y'bastards'. 'When I rule the universe' he went on, you can all suck this!'
The scene in which Han meets Jabba is now deleted and replaced with a new exchange in which Han meets his maker in a tuskan raider terrorist attack. This poses an interesting challenge for subsequent continuity and effectively introduces a new dynamic into the story. If Han is dead should the movie just stop there? If not, and given that his appearance in the film after this point now seems ridiculous the audience is left to ponder the extraordinary damage done to movies by revisionist alterations masterminded by people who don't respect the material. Finally in the film's climatic scene Chewbacca is given his medal but the pin pierces his heart and kills him. A shocked alliance rush the stage and beat the leaders of the rebellion to death. Those that are left at the back simply break into a giant banther pie fight in which the flesh and goey alien mammoth pudding combine for a succintly poignant conclusion. -
I SAY THEE NAY! Replacing Sebastian with Hayden is not only insulting to a wonderful actor (whose performance in IT HAPPENED HERE should be shown in every film acting class) it makes one wonder where the hell OldAnakin went.
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Wow, these movies will be so much better with all of these added parts. The thing that makes Luca a true artist is that he is never finished with his work. He just adds and adds, until he gets thinks right, and I personally dont mind seeing a different set of movies every 15 years or so. I'd love to see Schindlers List tinkered with next. I thought the pace could have been better.
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Although it's slow in comparison with the later fights and really slow compared to the prequel fights, the close-up shots, where they're shown from the waist up, are pretty good, almost on par with the similar shots of Anakin fighting Dooku in AOTC (a beautifully rendered sequence, by the way, what with the duelists fighting in the dark and having to hold their sabers above their heads in the ready-position, I suppose to aid illumination or prevent the glare from the sabers from impeding their sight). I wouldn't mind if the close-up shots of the Vader/Kenobi duel were preserved, with the distance, full-body shots redone. This would be easy to do, and it would look good, too. Christopher Lee had to have a double for his distance shots, after all. If Dooku can fight that fast in his old age, so should Obi-Wan. The original Star Wars is still a great movie, but the lightsaber fight can't really hold a candle to the prequel fights. And it wouldn't have worked to make the prequel fights as slow as the OT fights, either. They have to compete with modern action films, whether one likes it or not. As for the Millennium Falcon's lack of movement in ANH, it is quite frankly painful to watch after having seen its moves in ESB or any of the ship to ship combat in the later movies. The sequence in which Luke and Han fire at the pursuing TIE fighters from the gunnery chairs is painfully slow in retrospect. Those gun turrets are way cool, but it takes them forever to destroy just a few TIE fighters, which seem to swarm around a very turgid Falcon like flies buzzing around a piece of meat. It needs some fixer-uppin'.
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congrats, you twerps remain champs of the fanboyswithoutagrip contest. this "scoop" couldn't get any lamer or obviously faked, yet it is enough to fuel a mile long TB on its contents. DUH you dumbfucks, it is all bullshit so why the hell are you debating it as if it has any credibility? plus, everyone knows the loudest whiners will be the first in line to buy any piece of shit version that GL spews forth, which only adds to the reek of pathetic fanboy unrequited GL love in here.
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Nov 21, 2003 11:23:09 PM CST
SPOILER: Optimus Prime to be added via CGI to Star Wars EP: 6. G
by dickhead
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Of course, we now know that it's all bullshit, but...I *can* honestly see the logic behind a desire to go back and change the originals in order to make them mesh with the prequel trilogy. After all, doesn't that demonstrate some kind of dedication to preserving continuity within the movies? And aren't most of us all screaming about the lack of continuity in things like Star Trek Enterprise? Maybe he really does have some kind of genuine desire to link all six films so that it's one complete story, and get rid of the nagging inconsistencies. Of course, I'm sure that preservation of continuity isn't the sole reason behind this...we are talking about Daddy Luca$ MoneyBag$. Some of the things on the list aren't half bad, if you can be honest about it...I would be willing to see a version of the films with these kinds of changes. The only point I've ever made is that I don't care what changes Luca$ makes as long as he also makes available the original, unaltered versions. Beyond that, I couldn't care less what he does to them.
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What do you think Han was doing at the Imperial Academy? Why are there multiple references in most canon sources to people who used to be stormtroopers, or people who became stormtroopers. Why would there still be clones when they were outlawed after the clone wars (I don't remember where that reference it, but it's somewhere). Why would clones be such crappy shots when they are based on such a perfect warrior? Why would Luke be able to pass as a Stormtrooper when rescuing Leia if he was two inches shorter than Fett? Why would there be Stormtroopers of varying heights and builds? Why wouldn't Luke and Han notice they're clones when they stole the armor? THIS IS FUCKING STUPID! While some of the changes on that list are interesting (Personally, I'd like the higher number of Ewoks, and I'd like them to be a bit more feral... But I'd rather see them as Wookiees, and have the planet changed to Kashyyk, if I were going crazy with changes). Having Amidala show up at the end would be asinine. Having Chewbacca get a medal would be ridiculous (it's been established since ANH that Wookiees do not participate in ceremonies like that, as a matter of honor). Most of this list is bollocks, and should be ignored. Maybe some of those things would happen, but half the list is the uninformed ravings of people who don't know the Star Wars saga very well.
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Here's why: Once and for all, droids are EQUIPMENT. Vader would no sooner recognize 3PO as HIS C3PO than he would recognize a toaster he fixed 50 years ago. Droids are not people- They are regarded as equipment. They come off an assembly line by the thousands. They have model numbers- C-3PO is a CPO-model protocol droid, and there are only so many numbers one can assign to a droid to make it "different" from others. There are thousands like him in the galaxy, with the sole exception that he hasn't had his memory wiped since coming into Luke's possession. Most droids have their memory wiped every year to prevent them from developing wild emotional behavior and independent thought. EVEN IF Vader recognized 3PO as HIS CPO droid from 50 years ago, he'd still not be in any position to FIND the parts since he was busy torturing Han and Leia to lure Luke to Bespin. However, according to canonical sources Vader DID go to the garbage processing area and kill a few ugnaughts to get Luke's hand and his own old lightsaber from the garbage as a trophy. THAT would be interesting to see. It's a stupid idea, and it would ruin Vader's character in several ways. He's not supposed to be wistful or compassionate in episode V. He's supposed to be evil and deceitful, and not have happy old memories about his boyhood projects. Why not throw in a scene after that where he cries about his mommy, too? Jeez!
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It doesn't make good business sense for Lucas to release the originals on DVD right now. No doubt Lucasfilm is well aware that by selling DVDs of the originals they would undermine any future sales for special editions and final editions. Given that Lucas *did* change the films, we're now stuck with not getting the originals until he is completely finished with the updates. No amount of complaining or griping is going to change that, because it would be *exceedingly stupid* for them to do it. As for the LOTR editions being rip-offs... some people want the theatricals, some want the extended version, and it's not a rip-off. If you want both, you get both; if you want one, you get one. You don't *have* to buy anything. (And the extended editions *do* cut into sales of the theatrical release. In this case, however, PJ et al planned it that way. Lucas probably never figured anyone would be upset about the changes to 4-6.)
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Nov 22, 2003 9:38:05 AM CST
Hopefully Moriarty is correct and this is all bullshit. However
by red raider
If this scoop is true, I need to review the following:
****ANH
-------01. Imperial March when Vader's ship captures the blockade runner. Ok with me.
-------02. When Obi-Wan's is telling Luke about his father, that is one of the better pieces of music John Williams ever composed for the original trilogy. Quiet and mystical. Replacing it with the Imperial March is just flat out wrong.
-------03. Minor detail. Ok.
-------04. If they can make the Senate dissolution scene looked aged(i.e., not like a brand new scene), I'm ok with it.
-------05. I hate the fucking neimodians, and I for one believe they should digitally erased from the prequels, not added to the OT!
-------06. Bloody arm or cauterized. I can take it either way.
-------07. YES!!! The scene should've never been fucked with in the first place, but that's water under the bridge at this point. Han is a pirate & a scoundrel. PUT THE SCENE BACK!
-------08. I never liked the scene with Jabba and Han. Take it back out of the film, IMO.
-------09. Minor detail. Ok.
-------10. Again, minor detail. Leave theme there, take them out, whatever.
-------11. The Falcon dodging enemy fire using tricky moves. Sure, why not.
-------12. Haven't made up my mind about this proposed new scene. Hmmmm....
-------13. NO! IMO, the creature in the garbage compacter was meant to be a mystery. Don't go and show us the entire beast via CGI. Leave it to our imaginations. I felt the same way about the wampa in TESB.
-------14. Minor detail. Ok.
-------15. Minor detail. Ok.
-------16. Minor detail. Ok.
-------17. Minor detail. Ok.
-------18. Eh....sure, why not?!
-------19. Why not? Makes sense I guess. Of course, not all plans look the same, but I digress...
-------20. I'm ok with additional ships blowing each other to shit, but older naboo fighters? I'll get back to you on that one!
-------21. Pointless scene. Why bother to shoot it, add mass amounts of FX, sound, etc.
****TESB
-------01. Why go and destroy Phil Tippett's masterful stop motion? The scene works as is. If Lucas changes the taun-taun's to CGI, he is truly a fucking asshole.
-------02. Ok.
-------03. Get back to you on that one. My first reaction is a resounding NO!
-------04. Minor detail. Ok.
-------05. Yeah, come to think of it, the slug monster did look pretty stiff and puppet-like. Ok.
-------06. No, no, no! I like the scene with Vader & the emperor the way it is.
-------07. This one I have a real problem with. Frank Oz & his team pulled off a small miracle in performing Yoda. Even though it's obvious he's a puppet(muppet), you believe Yoda is real, simply because the performance is so well done. Lucas wants to go and "enhance" Yoda with CGI? NO FUCKING WAY!!!
-------08. Another pointless addition. I say no to that idea.
-------09. Minor detail. Ok.
-------10. Just take out Luke screaming like a bitch while falling, and I'm fine with that. Luke made the choice to die at that moment, and he wouldn't be yelling like a pussy on the way down the chasm.
****ROTJ
-------01. NO, NO, NO, NO, Fuck NO! Leave Jabba as is!
-------02. If any creature needs a CGI makeover, it's that Rancor puppet! I was surprised they didn't redo if with the 1997 special edition.
-------03. I don't know. Just the mere thought of polluting Frank Oz's work with CGI "enhancements" is irritating as hell. Like whenever Bill Gates says he wants to "enhance" Windows with yet another upgrade...
-------04. Minor detail. Ok.
-------05. Would you want Across the Stars to replace the Luke & Leia theme? I guess it depends on what you prefer. I haven't made up my mind on that one.
-------06. No.
-------07. They've got it all wrong. They're supposed to digitally erase all those fucking ewoks, not add more! In the words of Chuck Heston: "DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!"
-------08. Minor detail. Ok.
-------09. Minor detail. Ok.
-------10. Minor detail. Ok.
-------11. & 12. No, and Hell No!
Like Moriarty said, this scoop is most likely bullshit and we can all relax. Or do you want to see these changes take place? Are you a purist, or do you like change? My only complaint with George Lucas is, like Steven Spielberg did with his E.T. dvd release, Lucas should give us both the original (untouched) trilogy, as well as the latest revised version. He has said repeatedly he won't release anything on dvd but the special edtions. Since Lucas doesn't believe in choice, for that(IMO), he can (and will) burn in fanboy hell! -
Dude (or is it dudes?), I just can't buy your arguement that things should be changed to bring them up to date. Where's your sense of historical perspective?At the time of its original release, STAR WARS was state of the art, pushing the art of special effects in many ways. And EMPIRE and RETURN also significantly advanced the art and science of visual effects. But just because they aren't as advanced as the new films in no reason to go back and fiddle with them. Old swashbuckling films like CAPTAIN BLOOD or THE SEA HAWK may not be as technically advanced as PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN, but I don't think you're calling for their overhaul with new CGI Errol Flynn's running around are you? Let the original trilogy stand on its own merits and as an historical document was what could be done at the time of their making. TO change things does nothing but diminsh the accomplishments of the actors, artists and technicians who did the original work.
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I'd quite like to see these versions of the films, they sound rather cool...as long as the originals were available as well. I think these would be a neat new way of viewing all six films as one long movie.
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I think Lucas will still have Greedo shoot first..He seems to be so stubborn and I doubt he would ever admit to being wrong no matter how he feels about how crappy it is to have Greedo shoot first. God I really hate that scene.
We dont need some Special Edition Vader giving back C3po parts back to Han.
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Hear, hear. 'Updating' films is what low I.Q., short attention span sufferring children believe is necessary for them to enjoy a film made before sound, or colour, or MTV-style editing, or C.G.I. George Lucas and Ted Turner don't seem to understand that while giving the Mona Lisa blonde hair a boob-job and a quick nip and tuck MAY make her more attractive by today's standards it does ruin the original creation. The Star Wars Trilogy will be released unfucked with on DVD, if not by Lucas then by someone else. Many people, myself included, have a copy of the Definitive Edition Trilogy on LaserDisc and there's money to be made from a DVD release of the Han shoots first/no CGI Jabba, Luke doesn't scream like a bitch/Bring My Shuttle, beakless Sarlacc/nubb nubb versions of these films that we enjoyed in the cinemas when we were tykes in the 70s and 80s. Lucas knows this, he either gets with the program or he loses our money. It's as simple as that. He'll do what his wallet tells him to do.
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While we're on the subject of integrating inferior movies with superior ones - hows about digitally removing Keanu from Speed and slapping in ol' Jason Patric from the limp-wristed sequel? That's 'conda-nuidy' for ya!
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Ya think? Jesus Christ, Donnie Darko=Barry Woodward. He has had like 50 screen names on these boards and he fucking sucks. He likes to mix and match Buffey and Star Wars and make looong sappy poems. Or I should say poem, because all he ever did was modify and present as new. He also likes to rap about all things Buffy and StarWars. Trust me it's fucking frightning! You can't believe a sylable that comes out of that fuckwit! It's always easy to recognize him by his posts regardless of his screen name. It's sad that Harry or any one else that works for this site belives this fuck, especially the number of times he has been banned.
P.S. I think that it would be safe to say that he has posted on this very topic at least once.
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Nov 22, 2003 12:38:18 PM CST
The main changes he should make is to get rid of some of the cha
by dragonfire
Restoring the original Greedo scene being one of them. Luke's scream when he's falling in cloud city being another unneccessary change I'd like to see go, but the main thing that should be gotten rid of is that ridiculous song in Jabba's palace in ROTJ special edition. The other special edition changes are mostly petty complaints but that 'Jedi rocks' or whatever it was called had no reason to be there. Can't watch ROTJ special edition while it's there.
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Nov 22, 2003 12:50:50 PM CST
altering the Obiwan and Vader duel would create story holes
by dragonfire
Fixing the lightsaber effects from that duel is fine, but some of the rumours we've heard about Lucas wanting them to do 'somersaults' and shit sound worrying. Of course these rumours are most probably bull shit, but if they are true, Lucas's thinking is probably "well, Obiwan and Vader are powerful Jedi knights so they should be more agile and the duel should be more flashy". He should realize though that would raise the question of 'well if Obiwan's that agile and skillful why the hell didn't he help the rebels fight Vader himself instead of isolating himself for however many years and waiting for Luke to grow up." The reason we accept that Obiwan and Yoda hid themselves and pinned all their hopes on Luke instead of joining the fight is because they're clearly too old to do it themselves. That's why that fight between Yoda and Count dooku in episode 2 bothers me. So Yoda's 900 years old in ROTJ, that means in episode 2 he's what, 880 or so? So for 880 years he's all fit and agile and then he ages in the last 20? Anyway, The duel between Vader and Obiwan may look like a pair of old men pawing at each other, but that's fine because that's what it is. The duels that mattered in the OT were the ones between Luke and Vader, and those were fine as they were.
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Nov 22, 2003 2:08:30 PM CST
Altering the Vader/Kenobi fight would NOT create story holes, et
by the hillbrothers
Not if they did it right. I agree flips would be stupid. But they could alter the distance shots to look something more akin to the Obi-Wan/Dooku duel, where it is clear that one has the advantage over the other. Obi-Wan could still "give up" when he realizes Vader is the better swordsman. But I agree the Yoda fight was excessively acrobatic. It's my least favorite lightsaber battle because it's obvious the Dooku double doesn't know where Yoda is supposed to be, since he was added in later. It's confusing to watch, but I can buy that Yoda is able to summon up great reserves of the force in order to fight furiously for a short period of time, only to be physically exhausted afterward. And since I'm sitting here on Saturday afternoon with nothing better to do than continue to add posts to the tail-end of a talkback which few are likely to read, let me say that whoever mentioned the horror that is the "Jedi Rocks" song in the ROTJ SE is right on. I have to fast-forward through that every time. It is a very UN-Star Wars moment, and that CGI critter looks about as real as the monsters in Monsters, Inc. Jar Jar puts him to shame, and even the Gungans look like cartoons. Phantom Menace does need an overhaul. And yeah, the Taun-Tauns are fine the way they are. CGI hasn't reached the level of being able to render fur well enough yet. That's why CGI Ewoks would suck. The Rancor should be fixed, but not CGI'd. They just need to fix the matting and digitally color-correct the darkness levels on the puppet to match the surroundings. They can CGI the claw that grabs Luke if they want, it could be improved. The Dianoga should remain a mystery, but I think the Wampa in the ESB SE is OK. Padme at the end of ROTJ is wishful thinking, and a dumb idea anyway. I think slight alterations in the Yoda puppet would work, just around the mouth and eyes. I'm sure they could blend it seemlessly, and I don't think Frank Oz would mind. I'd like to see more CGI/practical effect combos, like the way they did the warlike alien race in The Fifth Element. But once you've seen something as a puppet it's hard to accept it as a CGI creation later. Jabba is the prime example, since it was such a good puppet, but so poorly rendered in CGI. Yoda in AOTC is the exception, but they just spent so much time and effort on him, he really is improved as a digital creation, though ILM admits it would never have been possible without the work of Frank Oz as a model. So, OK. BTW, this is a good SW talkback, a very reasonable discussion of differing points of view, without too many ridiculous flames.
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Can we stop now? Please... Harry, you big Ginger Jabba you... can't you switch this talkback off? Please... for the sake of the children.....
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Nov 22, 2003 8:04:17 PM CST
AAarrgh Donnie Darko IS BACK, like right above this very post (i
by regicidal_maniac
Barry M Woodward you are a sad sick little freak.
For the record of anyone wants to read Barry's 'poetry' I found one here: (I broke it up so it doesn't screw up the page) http://www.viewaskew.com
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You are confusing new people that don't know how full of shit you are.
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Nov 22, 2003 9:16:24 PM CST
Even if Stormtroopers are all clones, they don't have to be clon
by smeg for brains
I'd think in the time between ep. 3 and 4 they could have found more qualified candidates for cloning, and started new batches of clones. Also if clones were outlawed, so what? Assault weapons are outlawed in the U.S. but that doesn't stop our government from having and using them. Clones were outlawed so the the freakin' Rebelion wouldn't be able to create their own clone army, or something. Anyways the outlawing of cloning, and all the stuff about people being former stormtroopers is all bull from the many stupid books and comics, and crap. None of that means anything. Also if all Stormtroopers are clones that doesn't mean that everyone in the Imperial Navy is a clone. There are the troops in the black uniforms with the big helmets, and then there is... oh anyone else who isn't a Stormtrooper. Anyone who joins the Imperial Accademy would probably be aiming for a higher position than Stormtrooper grunt. Also Han being in the Academy isn't from the films either. I'm not saying that anything I have said here is what Lucas meant or will do. I'm just trying to point out that there are many many ways to explain the questions about Stormtroopers in believable, and intelligent ways. Now it is just up to Lucas to explain it somehow. I would think that throwing a few explanatory scenes, or lines of dialogue into ep. 3 would be better than continually fucking with an already beloved masterpiece film, and pissing off everyone who used to love it and him.
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The tyre necked, striped shirt wearing, egocentric, film abusing son of a Hut needs a fucking kicking! That cum guzzler got lucky in 1977, and has been milking a fat tauntaun's knob ever since! Here's an idea Georgie, and just hear me out for a second, 'cos you might just shit yourself with this revelation, but why don't you make a film that ISN'T fucking Star Wars??!!!!!!Jesus Christ man, the dead horse has been flogged so hard and for so long, it's turned into powder!!!
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It's explained in two simple ways- It's not his age, though. First, he's been living in a swamp with little sunlight and awful living conditions for 20+ years! Of course he's in rough shape! Also, did it occur to anybody that Yoda might suffer some kind of damage between Ep. II and Ep. IV? He was in the Clone Wars... Perhaps he was wounded- Same goes for Obi Wan- or perhaps he just isn't powerful enough ON HIS OWN to handle Darth Vader, Boba Fett (who we know was part of the Jedi purge), and the Emperor, let alone hundreds or thousands of elite troops. If all the other Jedi Masters were slain, there's nothing that makes me think Yoda would be able to stand up to the same things that killed all of them. He is powerful, but he is still only one Jedi.
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Nov 23, 2003 2:28:30 AM CST
It should be called Star Wars (or How I Learned To Stop Worrying
by cranialleak
Lucas is becoming the master of a new DVD category - The FUBAR Edition.
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his saying "Yipee", in James Earl Jones' voice, before riding his fighter - in all 3 movies. 'Nuff said.
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Yeah, I suppose the swamp might have had an affect on him, though whether he received wounds or not isn't backed up by anything in the movies. Thing is that Obiwan and Yoda make it out as if Luke is their only hope, the one who can defeat Vader and correct their mistake, despite him also only being one Jedi. Therefore we have to believe that Yoda and Obiwan either aren't powerful enough to do this themselves or are too old, else why would they rely on Luke. Considering how powerful Yoda's made out to be, it must be age in his case. I suppose there could be other reasons though.
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You are right about the posting on the force.net. Honestly I am a little dissaponited.
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George Lucas should really consider fixing up those lame rubbery Gamorrean guard hands from ROTJ, the heads definitely need some work also.
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This list is a load of boolsheet.
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I was at a special effects talk earlier this year presented by Rob Coleman, he showed the audience a reworked CGI scene of Yoda and his famous dagobah speech and he also said that the new Jabba footage from the special editions had been scrapped.
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There needs be no more bandwidth wasted on these speculations...read Informed's post below.
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Like spielberg did with the guns In ET, I hear Lucas digitally alter the light sabres into cell phones. There's also some neat cingular product placement endorsements on Darth's helmet. Obi is using motorolla (that's why he loses). And left out of the original films, Lucas finally got around to adding in those disco-ized versions of the Star Wars Theme into the trench scene. (Now yer gonna have the horrible song in your head all day. No need to thank me.)
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Wow... you can post a Star Wars piece on nearly ANYTHING, even a non-story such as this and people will fill a talkback that stretches to the Moon and back multiple times. It's like religion. No matter what you believe, or even if you don't believe at all, it still arouses passionately stupid debate.
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or at least I hope so
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Nov 25, 2003 10:19:14 PM CST
When the Death Star destroys Alderaan there's a new scene of Yod
by lonecow
I know this list is BS but still wouldn't this scene be hilarious if it had been in the original movie? You'd be like, "What the fuck was that shot of that little green muppet?"
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